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Welcome to Hard Talk on the BBC World Service with me, Zainab Bedawi from Johannesburg,

where my guest has been described as one of the world's greatest living artists.

He's versatile, hard-hitting, and his talent span many genres.

He is William Kentridge.

How has South Africa's difficult, violent and racist past influenced his work?

William Kentridge in Johannesburg, welcome to Hard Talk.

Zeneb, thank you very much and welcome to the studio in Johannesburg.

You were born in Johannesburg in 1955, the son of two prominent anti-apartheid lawyers. How did growing up under apartheid affect you?

Well, I think because my parents were both very much aware of and very much involved in legal

questions around the anti-apartheid struggle. From a young age I was aware of how unnatural

South Africa was. And this was a slight disjunction between myself, say, and other people in the

class whose parents took it as a natural white, you know, remember all white school, white

children who assumed that apartheid was natural, the natural order.

So from a very young age, both in terms of things that were said at the dinner table,

in terms of people who came to the house, I was aware of the unnaturalness of South Africa and society. Your parents were very anti-apartheid, although they were not members of the ANC,

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