It's going to here with another episode of the History on Plug podcast.

William F. Buckley, the charismatic intellectual, defined modern America conservatism,

but was also famously skilled at 14 friendships across the ideological divide,

a talent that helped him both shape the political landscape and navigate public opinion.

His capacity for personal charm allowed them to be what some considered a public extremist,

but also a private, moderate, keeping them the good graces of the liberal elite,

including figures like Senator George McGovern and activist Allard Lowenstein,

even as he worked to advance his conservative agenda.

Today's guest is Josh Cohen, author of William F. Buckley's Guide to Friendship in a Polarized Era,

and we explore how this patrician gatekeeper of the right strategically use ideological frenemies and acquaintances,

such as the surprising connection with Hugh Heffner to legitimize his movement and advance his influence,

but also how there were limits even to this,

culminating in the infamous televised confrontation with Gore of Adal that exposed how even

Buckley's renowned decorum shattered when his core beliefs were challenged.

This is a look into some of the intellectual giants of the 20th century, what polarization means,

how it can be overcome, and how sometimes divides are unbridgeable.

Hope we enjoyed this discussion with Josh Cohen.

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