Will Trump and Putin carve up Ukraine – then blame Zelenskyy?
The News Agents
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🗓️ 11 August 2025
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
In just a few days time, Vladimir Putin is set to set foot on American soil for the first time in a decade. He's been invited to Alaska by Donald Trump, a man desperate to claim that he has brought the conflict in Ukraine to an end.
There is just one problem with that. Putin hasn't offered any significant concessions, and Ukraine and its allies are demanding that no Ukrainian territory seized by Russian soldiers during the war is given up - a red line it looks like Trump is set to ignore. Ukraine's President Zelenksyy, as it stands, isn't even invited to take part in the talks. It all lends itself to the perception that Putin is going to play Trump - and then paint Zelenskyy as the obstacle to peace. Will Trump buy it?
Later, Jon speaks to a man who knows Putin well. Mikhail Kasyanov was Russia's Prime Minister under President Putin in the early 2000s. He tried to run against Putin, became a target of the regime, and has become an outspoken critic of the Kremlin in exile. He explains why he believes that Alaska summit is destined for failure - and Trump should cancel it.
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| 0:12.5 | President Putin, I believe, wants to see peace and Zelensky wants to see peace. |
| 0:18.0 | Now, President Zelensky has to get all of his, everything he needs, |
| 0:24.1 | because he's going to have to get ready to sign something. And I think he is working hard to get |
| 0:29.6 | that done. Some swapping. It's complicated. It's actually nothing easy. It's very complicated. |
| 0:34.9 | But we're going to get some back. We're going to get some |
| 0:38.2 | switched. There'll be some swapping of territories to the betterment of both. The swapping of land |
| 0:47.1 | for the betterment of both. Ukraine is the one giving away land, not Russia. So how can it be good for Ukraine? |
| 0:56.7 | There is a growing suspicion that this Friday's summit between Putin and Trump is going to agree something that Volodymy Zelensky could never accept. |
| 1:08.9 | And if that's the outcome, what happens next? |
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