Hey, Jeannie.

Hey, Tyler.

So this past week marked John Roberts' 20th year as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

If you're John Roberts right now, how are you feeling about what you've done on the job?

Like, I guess, what would you say that Roberts' legacy is or is starting to look like?

Well, John Roberts came on the court at a time when it was pretty clear what his role was going to be, and it was pretty straightforward, I would say.

He is a person who, you know, very classically was

trained and cultivated and educated at a time and in places where the conservative legal

movement was gaining traction, and he is a product of the conservative legal movement.

And the conservative legal movement spent a bunch of years kind of in exile, one could say,

because you had a very liberal Warren court and then to some extent,

Berger court after that, that put in place all these decisions that then the conservative legal movement said were

lawless and had to be gotten rid of if the time came one day that they had enough votes to do that.

And John Roberts is, of course, part of that, you know, large strategy. And that would also have

meant getting rid of Roe versus Wade and getting rid of the affirmative action decisions. But he, like a

conservative, was doing it in a longer time frame. He was doing it slowly. And you see it from the time he got

on the court. You see the court moving further and further in conservative directions. And then suddenly

you get the Trump administration

and all of the different conservative appointees. And now it's like this is now or never.

And so then you get a really much more quick acceleration of the establishment of certain conservative ideas in the Supreme Court's jurisprudence.

And I think that that is his legacy.

It's the overruling of certain of the Warren Court and Berger Court decisions,

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