The New Statement podcast is sponsored by EDF, Britain's biggest generator of zero carbon electricity.

Through nuclear and renewables, EDF are working hard to keep future energy costs down for everyone

and cut UK carbon emissions to nothing. Now with EDF's go electric tariff,

you can charge your electric vehicle overnight during off-peak hours for under £10,

saving you cash and carbon while you sleep. Find out more at edfenergy.com.

Hi, I'm Anouche. I'm Alfa. I'm Harry. And on today's New Statement podcast,

we discuss partygate and whether the fines for Boris Johnson and Rishisunak will have any consequences.

And you ask us, is the offshoring of migrants to Rwanda a dead cat?

We're delighted to be joined today by our senior correspondent Harry Lambert.

Thanks for having me. So this is the first time on this podcast that we're actually discussing

the impact of the fixed penalty notices that have been issued to Boris Johnson,

Rishisunak and Boris Johnson's wife over partygate. We know that they've had one fine each so far,

but we expect there may be more down the line. So far, it doesn't look like Tory MPs are using this

as an opportunity to act against Boris Johnson, but there has been a resignation, David Walson,

from the Lords. He was a Justice Minister and he's resigned over this. And there's a couple of MPs

who are saying that the Boris Johnson ought to resign, but it's a very different atmosphere

than what it was when these revelations were coming out earlier this year, isn't it, Alfa?

So I mean, it was weird. I was in Parliament that day as the news broke sitting in a completely

dead PCH. There was no feeling of urgency before when those stories were breaking. You could feel

the electricity going through that big open area where people gather in the House of Commons.

Then there was just none of that because it's recess, but I think that actually does have an

impact on how this plays out among Conservative MPs. It's funny. I don't know what you think Harry

...