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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, life and culture.

My name is Freddie Gray. I'm the deputy editor of the spectator.

I am delighted to be joined today by Maureen Callahan, who is critic at large at the New York Post

and the author of a recent piece called Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump 2024. Yep,

life has become a horror movie.

Now, Maureen, there's been quite a lot of chatter about Hillary Clinton re-emerging as a presidential candidate in 2024 this week.

How real do you think this is?

You know, there was a time when I would have said not very likely at all.

However, the election of Donald Trump has shown that politics in America have become completely unpredictable.

Anything is possible.

The op-ed that was written in the Wall Street Journal,

floating Hillary as possibly the best shot the Dems have in

2024 was co-authored by a long-time Clinton loyalist.

So there is a suggestion that perhaps she is floating a trial balloon.

I think it sounds to me like she may be, although, I mean, that piece,

are you talking about Douglas E. Shone there as the co-author?

I believe so, yes.

Yeah, because, I mean, he's a slightly,

it reads slightly to me like a sort of a kind of piece that Republicans would want to seem

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