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Hot Takes & Deep Dives

Will & Grace Writer & Producer — Jon Kinnally on ACT UP, The Cut Gay Sex / Drugs Exposé & more

Hot Takes & Deep Dives

Jess Rothschild

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4.71.4K Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Jess is joined by TV writer & producer (Will & Grace, Ugly Betty) — JON KINNALLY! Topics — living in Clinton Hill, Brooklyn in 1988, working in ACT UP, The Cut article "We've Reached Peak Gay Sluttiness," his writing partner Tracy Poust was one of the original NYC spinning instructors, Barbra Streisand DVD commentary on A Star Is Born & more!


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Jon Kinnally's memoir: I'm Prancing as Fast as I Can


⭐ Jess' SoulCycle docu series Cult of Body & Soul on all podcast platforms & YouTube

 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome back to hot takes and deep dives.

0:16.7

And I am here with the author of the new book, I am prancing as fast as I can. He was a writer and

0:23.2

executive producer on Will & Grace, Ugly Betty. I am here with John Canali live from

0:29.3

Citges Spain. How are you? Hello, I'm fine. Thank you for having me. Walk me through your day

0:35.0

so far today. Oh, I got got up late i worked a little bit on

0:40.2

instagram stuff i'm still figuring out like long into this how to be you know how to do it

0:46.4

wait well no but like what do you mean you worked on some instagram stuff oh i i guess i mean i

0:51.9

worked on some posts than things that I've got to post every day.

0:56.0

You know, content.

0:57.0

It's all about content if you didn't know that.

0:58.9

Oh, you think I don't know that?

1:01.1

I do think you know that.

1:05.0

Yeah, and that always stresses me out because I feel like I'm out of my depth.

1:09.2

I mean, you have had an interesting trajectory. Did you grow up or did you just go to college upstate? I went to college upstate. I was from Syracuse. Okay. I am from Syracuse. And I went to Oswego College, which is like just 40 minutes north of Syracuse on Lake Ontario. Yeah. So you're from upstate New York.. Then, of course, you move to New York City where you're really involved in Act Up.

1:31.1

You form all of your creative, collaborative friends.

1:34.3

And then you wind up moving to L.A.

1:36.7

and have a phenomenal career in writing for television comedies.

1:42.5

And so, and what's fascinating is you now live in Sichis, Spain.

1:46.9

And so I'm curious just how, like, day to day, how is your day the week today?

1:52.4

I know, obviously, you're promoting your book, but how is just day-to-day life living in

1:56.7

Citrus Spain, which is essentially like the province town of Spain, as compared to like your life

2:02.7

in L.A. Oh, they're exactly the same. No, they're not. L.A. is just, there is no traffic here,

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