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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, life and culture.

My name is Freddie Gray. I'm the deputy editor of The Spectator.

I am delighted to be joined again on this podcast by Liz Harrington, who is a spokesperson for

President Donald J. Trump. And we're going to be asking if Donald J. Trump will be the man in the White House come January 2025.

Liz, the reason I want to ask you this question is because there was a poll out that got quite a lot of attention that showed that would beat Joe Biden by six points and Kamala Harris by 11 points in a presidential matchup in 2024. Did that

poll surprise you? I imagine not. No, Freddie. Thanks for having me. It's not surprising at all.

I think clearly the state of the country and really what happened last time. I mean, you know how we feel

about the 2020 election, how rigged it was. I don't think it was close last time. It certainly

wouldn't be close at a hypothetical matchup next time. But we've all seen Joe Biden. I don't

think anyone really thinks he's running again. He doesn't know where he is half the time. But to

that poll you mentioned, these are all standard left-wing polls.

I mean, that's just the way our polling is in this country.

And for the margin to be that wide, which it never was during the 2020 election, it wasn't

during the 2016 election, that really shows you that they're

really struggling in politics right now. And why wouldn't they be? Because the state of the country

and the state of the world is very perilous right now. And it's because of what this administration

is doing, the decisions they've made, the opening of our border, the wrecking of our economy, our energy independence are standing in the world with Afghanistan and now with Russia and Ukraine.

So, yeah, obviously the American people are hurting and they don't like what they're getting right now and they want to change.

As your information, are you picking up that the biggest pain point for American voters at the moment is inflation? And do voters think about the Trump economy because it was a relatively boom time

for America? You could argue, and I think I probably would, that Trump's economics did feed

into the inflation recycle we're in now. But do voters in their minds associate Trump with the

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