This is exactly right.

This story contains adult content and language along with references to sexual assault.

Listener discretion is advised.

I wanted to bring Sally's story into some spotlight

because understanding what she went through could help other girls and women

understand what traumas they might have experienced or might be privy to.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a non-fiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas. I'm also the host of the Historical True Crime Podcast, Tenfold More Wicked on Exactly Right.

I've traveled around the world interviewing people for the show.

I've interviewed some people in person and some from my home studio over Zoom.

And they are all excellent writers.

They've had so many great true crime stories

and now we want to tell you those stories

with details that have never been published.

Wicked words is about the choices that writers make good and bad.

It's a deep dive into the stories, behind the stories.

It doesn't necessarily come in the box of a stranger leaps out and violently

assaults you or violently murders you that there can be a lot of psychological

coercion, coercive control. Sarah Wyman is a fantastic writer and author in New York City.

She's also the Crime Columnist for the New York Times Book Review,

and she's known as The Crime lady because of her famous blog.

I would call Sarah Weinman an influencer in the world of crime writing.

And Sarah wrote a true crime book called The Real Loleita.

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