What's up everyone? Welcome back to the Epic Gardening Podcast. We are joined again by the

awesome Nancy Hayden. Her and her husband John are the owners of a farm called The Farm Between and they are the

authors of the book that's out now called Farming on the Wild Side.

And if you've been listening to this week of episodes which I really hope you have

been we've been talking a lot about

that wild side philosophy approach to gardening and farming and one of those comes into

the world of perennials.

Why grow only annuals when you can grow perennials

and do a lot of upfront work,

or maybe not even that much upfront work,

and then have fruit and food for many, many years to come. So this is something I am only

recently experimenting with myself Nancy, some bushes, I'm doing some blueberries

right now and I do have a fruit tree in my yard but just due to space

constraints I don't have a lot of this going on and at your farm it's a pretty big

staple of what you do so maybe we could start out with an overview of

your guys approach to growing fruit and what you guys are growing right now?

Well we do grow a lot of unusual fruits, the currents and gooseberries and

elderberries and things like that.

I think we're going to talk about that another day.

But we also have an orchard, apples, plums, cherries, pears, some nut trees, hazelbert nuts. So we grow a lot of diversity of crops and we used to make a lot of our own fruit products with those fruit syrups and that type of thing and sell them at the

farmers market as well as retail lately we've been selling a lot of our fruit to beverage entrepreneurs, breweries, citaries, wineries,

I like that. That's cool. So that's been really fun for us. So anyway, but for the home grower, I just think, you know, having some fruit but even when we first came here and we weren't doing a lot of fruit

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