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Beyond Today

Why would you stab someone? Part 2

Beyond Today

BBC

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4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2019

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

On 4th March we heard from former gang member Jay about why he’d never leave the house without carrying a knife. Jay has since been asked to make a Radio 4 documentary investigating the solutions to knife crime. For the programme he met a trauma surgeon, a police commander and a local mayor. He also had a long conversation with a man called Callum, who is from Glasgow. Glasgow used to be the murder capital of Europe, but now that’s changed and the city’s seen as a model for how to stop violence. Callum got caught up in a lot of violence and was stabbed nine times in one attack. This episode is the conversation the two of them had for Jay’s documentary, in which Jay asked Callum about how he moved away from violence. You can find Jay’s documentary “My Name Is... Jay” on BBC Sounds. It was produced by Gaetan Portal. Producers: Heidi Pett and Duncan Barber Editor: John Shields Mixed by Weidong Lin

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, music radio podcasts.

0:06.4

Hello, I'm Matthew Price.

0:08.3

This is Beyond Today from BBC Radio 4.

0:11.2

Every day we ask one big question about one big story. Today, why would you stab someone, part two?

0:27.0

Now it's part two because we first did an episode that asked this question about a month ago

0:35.0

when there had been a sudden spike in deaths from knife attacks and we wanted to go back to the same person that we spoke to then to talk about some of the solutions that might be out

0:45.2

there to actually stop people using knives. The person we spoke to last month was a man

0:50.8

called Jay and this is part of what he said then.

0:55.0

When you're making a decision of whether or not you've got a weapon,

0:59.8

the worst thing that can happen to me if I'm caught with is the police bro, being

1:04.2

arrested and getting prison. That's the worst thing. We grew up in hell. What's

1:11.0

prison? People think that we live in these blocks are so nice and peaceful

1:17.1

that prison scares us. We get fed regularly in prison, bro? We don't have to fight for food in prison. I don't have to worry

1:24.8

about electricity coming off in prison. I don't have to worry about bills. I don't have to

1:29.1

worry about ops. I don't have to worry about nothing in prison. So you're

1:32.4

scaring me with something

1:35.2

that is better than the reality that I'm living anyway.

1:38.2

Prison may not be the best thing in the world,

1:41.7

but trust me in a lot of situations prisoners a

1:44.2

million times better than the blocks that we're living in.

1:46.5

The only thing we have is freedom, but do we really have freedom when we're confined

1:50.8

to a particular area?

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