Mentoring can be very practical, according to Donna Otto.

I think there's no phase of a woman's life that she cannot learn from an older woman.

Sometimes it is absolutely the minutia of life that rearranges us.

It is that tidbit that says, here's how to put a menu together.

Oh, is that how you get it to the table hot at the same time?

So an older woman is that woman who comes in and gives her life perspective.

This is the Revive Our Hearts podcast with Nancy DeMas Walgamuth, author of Adorned.

For July 20th, 2020, I'm Dana Gresh.

Well, it's a joy to welcome back to revive our hearts, Donna Otto, who is a wife,

a mom, a grandmom. She's an author. She's a speaker. She's the founder of a terrific ministry called Homemakers by Choice. She has a heart for the Lord, a heart for home. She's been with us before on Revive Our Hearts, and Donna, we're delighted to have you back with us again. Thank you very much. It's great to be here. And we're joined today by about 30 women who are with us in the studio, who've come to be mentored.

As I was reading your most recent book, I learned that we have something in common.

You probably don't know this.

But something that came as a little bit of a surprise because I'd never heard anybody say this before.

The way I say it and people who know me have heard me say for years,

that my goal in life since I was a little girl has always been to be a godly old lady.

How sweet. And when I read on page 207 of your book, something similar, I kind of smiled. You said

from the time I was quite a young woman, I have seen myself as a gray-haired teacher who derives energy and pleasure

from helping younger women learn to manage their lives. And I thought, she's always wanted

to be a godly old lady, too. Have you found that the old part comes easier than the godly?

That's my experience. A hearty yes to that.

And so you and I are both gray-haired women now, and you have a heart for mentoring younger women, for nurturing and encouraging them in the ways of God.

You trained your daughter as she was growing up.

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