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🗓️ 19 September 2025
⏱️ 47 minutes
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An overarching desire to seek revenge can be just as potent as a drug addiction. James Kimmel Jr. is a lecturer in psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine, a lawyer and the founder and co-director of the Yale Collaborative for Motive Control Studies. He joins host Krys Boyd to discuss parts of the brain that light up when a revenge scenario is talked about, why Americans equate justice with revenge, and what happens when we focus on forgiveness instead. His book is “The Science of Revenge: Understanding the World’s Deadliest Addiction – and How to Overcome It.”
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| 0:54.9 | When we believe someone has wronged us, it can be weirdly satisfying to fantasize about giving them a taste of their own medicine. |
| 1:02.0 | We're sure we'd feel even better if we could actually go through with it. |
| 1:06.0 | But like the fleeting high from any addictive substance, acts of revenge can briefly flood our brain |
| 1:12.1 | with feel-good chemicals only to saddle us with relentless, agonizing cravings for more. |
| 1:18.5 | James Kimmel Jr. is my guest. He's been interested in revenge for a long time now, |
| 1:22.8 | as a founder and co-director of the Yale Collaborative for Motive Control Studies and as assistant |
| 1:28.3 | clinical professor in psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine. But before any of that, |
| 1:32.8 | he was an angry teenager who fantasized about taking out his bullies and then a litigator who |
| 1:38.2 | satisfied his taste for revenge by extracting maximum pain from the people his clients were suing. |
| 1:45.1 | It made him very successful at his job, and it nearly broke him. |
| 1:49.1 | His book is called The Science of Revenge, Understanding the World's Deadliest Addiction and How to |
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