As we've learned this week, something like the Venus flytrap is in the genus of one.

It's in its own genus and it's native to America, North Carolina, South Carolina and I suppose

Josh hard to find these days out in the wild and I think whether it is or should be on an

endangered species list, I mean it kind of speaks to the need to conserve these and you've

been doing this for a long time Josh, so I'm curious your perspective on how rare these are

in the wild these days. For sure, so super rare, increasingly so. Venus flytrap's because they've

been in cultivation for so long and they have so much name recognition and they're somewhat

valuable, right? You usually wouldn't spend $15, $20 like buying a little tiny whatever other

kind of foliage plant. So they command a higher price, they are poached relentlessly in their

native environment. They are subject to that pressure constantly. The various agencies involved

out there have attempted over the last few years to crack down a lot more on poaching.

There have been some high profile arrests of people they've found out there with burlap sacks

full of these plants that they just go and dig up and sell to growers or weirdly enough like

pharmaceutical companies. You can find some kind of snake oil companies that promise that Venus

flytrap extract cures cancer or whatever it is. I've been contacted by those companies to try and

get stuff. I'm sure other other folks have you know whether they are working knowingly or not

with poachers. You can't really say but that does increase the demand for Venus flytrap's

especially large established ones. So domestically that's the one that has the most pressure on it

and it is really important to try and conserve. In addition to the poaching a lot of the areas that

used to be marshes filled with Venus flytrap's are now Walmart parking lots in North and South Carolina.

So they just straight up get bulldozed paved over and that is gone forever and it affects the

hydrology and it affects everything else. So even the areas that don't get directly destroyed end

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