Good-day and welcome to Pints with Aquinas. My name is Matt Fred, and I am so glad that you are here.

I am joined today by Suan Sona to have a discussion about the papacy, whether or not it is biblical

and how we might respond to common objections to it. I am honest, honestly, honest, I am

sincere. There we go. I am sincere when I say I'm actually really looking forward to this conversation. Suan is a really smart fellow who's done a lot of study into the biblical roots of the papacy and I know I'm going to learn a lot and I'm sure you're going to learn a lot as well. Before I go any further, I've got to point this out, I have scratches on my head so on-on. I don't know if you see that or not. But whenever I come to work with scratches on my head, it's because I've been wrestling my son, Peter. So that's that. But, Sue, and it's really great to have you on the show. Yeah, I'm really excited to be on. And Matt, can I give a quick shout-out to my parish? Of course, yeah. So yeah, St. Isidore's Catholic Student Center in Manhattan, Kansas, Kansas State University. A shout out to my priest's father, Gail Hammersman, Father Drew Hoffman. I know that I just, I wish I could list off every single name of like all my friends, but that would take

waste you on.

Let's do that.

Let's know, no, let's forget the episode.

Let's just spend an hour with Andy Brand, Adam, Bates, no. Oh, man. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. It's really just, just great to have you. Yeah, all right. Now, oh gosh, there's just so much to say, here's what I know about you.

I don't know a lot.

Here's what I know about you.

You converted to Catholicism last year. You were a Baptist prior. You took the name St. Thomas Aquinas as your confirmation saint. You've done a ton of study into the biblical roots of the papacy. You may even have some kind of more fleshed out kind of nuance as it pertains

to sort of not teleology. Typology, typology. And I know you just debated a bloke called

Ubi Petros, who really seems like a stellar guy from the conversation you guys had, who's an

Eastern Orthodox person regarding papal infallibility or just the papacy in general.

And so I know about you that you have studied this enough that you're willing to debate people who are really bright on this topic.

And I know your sister just came into the church this year. What else do we need to know?

I don't know if there's anything much more to me, Matt. I mean, yeah, I don't know, Matt.

You basically said all that I am, basically, yeah. Oh, I doubt that. Well, I mean, I do,

okay, so I should mention this. So I do have a YouTube channel and a podcast called Intellectual Conservatism, and there's a whole story behind how that got started.

But basically on that channel, I try to bring in, you know, the top thinkers and people from various backgrounds to discuss ancient Christian philosophy pertaining to theology, politics, ethics, and all

sorts of different areas like the metaphysics of God or the metaphysics of morality.

So, and you know, I do a lot of scripture stuff on there and I share my research on the papacy

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