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Welcome to the HBR idea cast from Harvard Business Review. I'm Alison Beard.

About 10 years ago, I was at a big women's leadership conference full of a lot of high-powered

female executives and academics. We were put into small discussion groups and told to

talk about why more women weren't in the C-suite and what we could do about it. I was a

mom of toddlers at the time struggling to balance work with family and a pretty low-powered

editorial job. So at one point I asked, do women really even want to be CEOs? Everyone's

mouths dropped open. They stared at me. They were a gas that I would question women's ambition

in this way. But what I meant was, the gold standard for a CEO was someone, usually a man,

who lived and breathed his job, who worked 14-hour days and weekends, who was on call 24-7.

We traveled constantly, who thrived on perpetual stress. Yes, they got paid tons of money

and got lots of accolades for doing all that, but did we really aspire to it? It didn't

explain myself very well and definitely did not win over the crowd. One professor even mentioned

my comment when she presented our thoughts to the broader group, which meant a whole room of

women gasping at my face-turning bright red. But the issue that I was pointing to is one that our

guest today has been studying for a long time. She calls it greedy work, jobs that pay well,

but demand all of your time. Thereby eliminating a lot of people, usually caregivers who are typically

women, from contention. She's here today to explain how it's contributed to both income inequality

and the gender pay gap and what we can do about it. Claudia Golden is a historian and labor economist

at Harvard University. She's the author of the book Career and Family, Women's Century Long

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