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From KQED. Welcome back to Forum. I'm Katie Orr. In the past quarter century, the gap between what men and women are paid has narrowed by only eight cents. Women nationally now earn

about 82 cents for every dollar a man earns, and wage discrimination is even worse for women

of color. Joining us now to talk about why the wage gap continues to exist and what can be done

to close it is Francesca Donner. She's gender director

for the New York Times and editor of the Times in her words. Thank you so much for being here.

You know, in a recent article, you talk about the persistence of the wage gap and you refer to

equal payday. Can you sum up for us just what that is?

I would be delighted to. And I think I'm just going to start by saying equal payday sounds

like a wonderful holiday, doesn't it? But in fact, it's not a celebration. It's not a good day.

And that's quoting Representative Carolyn Maloney.

So equal pay day was established about 25 years ago. And it is really a symbolic day. And it basically

marks how long into the year women would have to make to earn what men made in the prior year.

So let's actually break it down a little bit. I'll give you an example. Let's say that a man

last year in 2020 made $100,000. Great salary. For a woman, on average, to make $100,000, she would need to work all the way through 2020 plus January and February and up until approximately March 24th of 2021 in order to make the same salary. Or if you want me to put it

another way, in the time that it takes a man to make a certain salary, that would be 365 days,

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