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evolution of a snake. I'm Zach. And I'm Madeline. And today you may see that we are in a different

location. We're currently in Spotify Studios. You're about to listen to an episode that we pre-recorded a while

ago that has actually become more relevant. We thought it was done. But she's back and she's screaming. We're going to talk about secret sessions today and why they're never happening again. And because we have a new era, Life of a Showgirl, it's a mysterious album. Some might say this would be the perfect time to do a secret session, but she's never going to do them again. No, and it's your fault, by the way.

It's your fault. So enjoy listening to this one, and we will see you on Patreon. Patreon.

Patreon.coms astrologist. Madeline, when you think of the secret sessions, what's your knee-jerk reaction?

That's a complicated question, actually. So I guess the PR response that I would give is, wow, weren the secret session is amazing. Wasn't it so great that Taylor got to meet so many fans and et cetera, et cetera. Isn't it so cool that she invited fans to her house for free? She's never charged anybody to meet her. She's such a great person. She's my queen. Wow. Okay. Tay North Korea. At Tay North Korea, that's kind of like my PR response.

If you were to ask 20-year-old Madeline, that exact question, that would not be her response.

To honor her, the girl that I was, I will tell you that my response to the secret sessions would probably be something, it involves

crying, but not in a good way. It involves jealousy, envy, et cetera, et cetera. So that's all I'm

going to say from the girl I used to be. I carry her with me. She's with you all the time.

The secret sessions were a time of extreme excitement, but also strife within the fan community.

If you really think about it in a certain way, the secret sessions were at the beginning of the end of Taylor dating to interact with us.

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