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Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts

Why Ron DeSantis Hates Direct Democracy

Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts

Slate Podcasts

News Commentary, Politics, Government, News

4.63.1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 September 2024

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Republicans from Ohio to Arkansas, from South Dakota to Florida and from Nebraska to Missouri have been throwing everything at trying to keep abortion ballot measures from actually reaching voters. In this week’s Amicus - a deep look at efforts to stifle and chill direct democracy in the states, post Dobbs. Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Jessica Valenti, the author of Abortion: Our Bodies, Their Lies, and the Truths We Use to Win, and Lauren Brenzel, the campaign director for Yes on 4 in Florida, about the playbook that’s being used to threaten ballot initiatives to protect abortion rights in states around the nation. Want more Amicus? Subscribe to Slate Plus to immediately unlock exclusive SCOTUS analysis and weekly extended episodes. Plus, you’ll access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi and

0:05.0

welcome back to Amicus. This is Slate's podcast about the courts and the law and the Supreme Court. I'm Dahlia Lithwick. I cover some of those things for slate. presidential debate as anything beyond an all-out whooping by Vice President Kamla Harris.

0:26.3

One huge legal misdirection emerged from the cluster of indecipurable rantings about abortion that we heard from Donald J Trump.

0:35.8

The former president praised the genius and the heart and the courage that his Supreme Court

0:40.4

justices had deployed in stripping millions of American women of

0:44.4

their fundamental rights in Dobbs and then took all credit for what has come

0:49.0

since.

0:50.0

Look, this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years.

0:55.0

Every legal scholar, every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative,

1:01.0

they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people

1:04.3

could vote.

1:05.3

So I guess this was what we all wanted, apparently, and I guess it's what every single scholar

1:10.2

wanted, but there's a very telling rhetorical turn that we really want to single out here.

1:16.8

And that is the idea that sending abortion back to the states is somehow a democratic fix for the distinctly undemocratic act of upending 50-plus years of

1:27.7

precedent by a conservative supermajority at the court that was constructed by presidents who had lost the popular vote.

1:35.4

After Dobbs, activists and advocates tried really hard to sound the alarm about the ways in which

1:40.7

voting and abortion rights are inextricably connected and they tried to

1:46.1

point out how Justice Alito's fatuous, oh go fix it at the voting booth guidance in Dobbs, was

1:52.3

cynical gaslighting. Those warnings are now

1:54.9

crystallizing as we see state elected officials working very very hard to

2:00.2

stymie and block efforts by organizers to actually put abortion on state ballots so actual people

2:07.2

can decide because it turns out they don't actually want actual people to decide abortion questions. In the two years since Dobbs,

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