Hey, it's Michael.

This week, the Daily is revisiting some of our favorite episodes this year,

listening back and hearing what's happened in the time since they first ran.

Today, we return to our conversation with Thomas Sip,

the lawyer who quit his job at a prestigious corporate law firm

after his bosses gave in to legally

dubious demands from President Trump. And we hear how SIP views that moment now eight months

later. It's Monday, December 29th. Thomas, welcome to the Daily.

Thanks for having me.

I'm getting the small sense that this is a nerve-wracking experience for you even before it started.

I'm just seeing it on your face.

Yeah, it definitely is.

I want to start by asking you to explain, Thomas, how it is that you came to be a lawyer in the first place and ended up at this very prestigious firm where you worked until just a few days ago, Scadden

ARPS. What's that story?

So going all the way to the start, I was born in Japan to an American father and a Japanese mother.

And my family moved to the United States when I was 10.

My parents separated shortly after.

And so, you know, I was learning English in middle school and also learning about what it means to be an American.

It's not like becoming this sort of racial minority because I'm mixed race

and coming to understand the social fabric that's kind of unique to the United States,

especially compared to a relatively homogenous country like Japan.

Right. And, you know, growing up with my single mom, who doesn't speak, you know, fluent English,

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