Why Intelligent People Can’t Leave — Miller, Ellerup, Richins, Murdaugh
Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary
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🗓️ 14 May 2026
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
The good days are the trap. You disappear one compromise at a time. And the most dangerous moment is when you decide to go. That is the arc of this conversation — the full three-part interview with psychotherapist Shavaun Scott about the psychology the public refuses to accept.
Four cases anchor the discussion: Mica Miller, who could name the trap and still went back. Asa Ellerup, who defended Rex Heuermann for three years before he confessed to eight murders. Eric Richins, who saw everything and couldn’t move. Maggie Murdaugh, who was already leaving when she was killed.
Scott, whose recent work on Spotlight on Psychology lays out the neuroscience behind these dynamics, walks Tony Brueski through why awareness does not protect you, how agency erodes invisibly, and what the women in this audience need to know if something in this conversation feels personal. Every question was designed to open a door.
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| 1:01.3 | This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski and Robin Drey. |
| 1:08.9 | Interesting conversation ahead of us today, very excited. |
| 1:13.0 | Chavon Scott, psychotherapist and author with us. |
| 1:15.2 | We're going to be talking about three different cases and about the control to which its victims were under by their perpetrators and why it wasn't just so easy to walk away. |
| 1:26.7 | That's a big question we get thrown in all these cases. Why do they just walk away? Why do they just... Well, it's a bit deeper than that. And we're going to get into that on three different cases. We're going to talk about Micah Miller a little bit, and the alleged coercive control of J.P. Miller. We're going to talk about Maggie Murdo. And yeah, trust me, |
| 1:45.8 | we're aware big news this morning as if we're doing this, Alec Murdoe going back to trial for what is |
| 1:51.8 | now called the alleged murder of Maggie and Paul. He is no longer a convicted murderer, |
| 1:57.5 | the Supreme Court of South Carolina this morning has overturned that, |
| 2:01.5 | five to nothing. We got a whole piece on that on its feed. If you want to read about it, |
| 2:04.7 | listen to it, it is there. Go ahead and dive in. We got a lot of diving in to do as we get ready |
| 2:10.4 | to take dive number two as we go visit Resort Murdaw for a second time. That'll be interesting, |
| 2:16.3 | but we'll get to what kept Maggie there, because if you remember in that case, there was a a second time. That'll be interesting. But we'll get to what kept Maggie there, |
| 2:18.8 | because if you remember in that case, there was a lot of talk about her being unhappy, |
| 2:23.0 | her living a separate life towards the end, literally her end. We're going to get into that. |
| 2:30.1 | And we're also going to be discussing what was going on in the Cory Richens case with Eric Richens and Asa Elrop as well. |
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