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Intelligent Design the Future

Why Hands-On Chemistry Experiments Can’t Simulate A Prebiotic Earth

Intelligent Design the Future

Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

Science, Philosophy, Astronomy, Society & Culture, Life Sciences

4993 Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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When scientists claim they have simulated early earth chemistry to create life from non-life, are they being honest? This episode of ID The Future is the fourth and final installment in a series of conversations between philosopher of science Dr. Stephen Meyer, author of Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design, and Dr. James Tour, a world-leading synthetic organic chemist at Rice University. Dr. Tour has recently been engaged in a series of back-and-forth responses to attacks on his work from YouTube science communicator Dave Farina. This has given Tour a new opportunity to critique experts in the field of abiogenesis and allows an interested public to better evaluate both sides of the argument. In Part 4, Meyer and Tour evaluate the work of chemist Bruce Lipshutz; specifically his work designing surfactant molecules that enable amide/peptide bonds. By itself, Lipshutz’s work developing synthetic techniques for doing chemistry in water is interesting and has value. But for those tempted to think that his work validates chemical evolutionary theories of the origin of life, Tour has bad news. Peptides don’t form in aqueous environments like water. A realistic prebiotic environment would not be capable of producing the reactions necessary to form proteins. And Lipshutz acknowledges this. In their conversation, Tour and Meyer discuss how Lipshutz applies hands-on chemistry that bears no resemblance to the likely conditions of a prebiotic earth. If anything, the work of Lipshutz and others in origin of life research is actually simulating the need for intelligent agency to move simple chemicals in a life-friendly direction. Says Meyer, "Even the modest movement they get towards life seems to be intelligently designed at each step of the way, and even the vocabulary will sometimes reveal that: ribozyme engineer, designer surfactants. Very curious!" Watch the series on video at Dr. Meyer's YouTube channel: @DrStephenMeyer

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0:00.0

I d the future a podcast about evolution and intelligent design Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host Andrew McDermott. Today we're sharing the

0:17.7

conclusion to a four-part conversation series between philosopher of science

0:22.0

Dr Stephen Meyer, author of signature in the cell, and Dr

0:25.9

James Tuer, a world-leading synthetic organic chemist at Rice University.

0:31.5

The topic is the origin of the first life and Dr. Tours assessment of the state of origin of live research today.

0:39.0

These conversations were recorded in November and December 2022 after Dr. Tour released a series of videos in response to YouTube science communicator Dave Farina and his videos attacking Dr. Toursur's research.

0:53.0

Dr. Tours and Farina also conducted a formal debate at Rice University in May of 2023.

1:00.0

But for those who were not satisfied with that debate,

1:02.6

or still have questions about the origin of life,

1:05.4

this set of conversations between Dr Meyer and Dr. Tuer

1:09.1

should provide clarity.

1:10.9

In part four, Meyer and Tuer evaluate the work of chemist Bruce Lipschutz,

1:15.0

specifically his work designing surfactant molecules that enable amide peptide bonds.

1:21.0

By itself, Lipschutes his work developing synthetic

1:24.8

techniques for doing chemistry and water is interesting and has value. But for

1:29.7

those tempted to think that his work validates chemical evolutionary theories of the origin of life,

1:34.9

tour has bad news. Peptides don't form an acquiesce environments like water.

1:40.8

A realistic prebiotic environment would not be capable of producing the reactions necessary to form proteins.

1:47.0

And Lipschutz acknowledges this.

1:50.0

In their conversation, Tour and Meyer discuss how Lipschutes applies hands-on chemistry that bears no resemblance to a prebiotic earth. If anything, the work of Lipschutes and others in origin of life research is actually simulating the need for

2:04.4

intelligent agency to move simple chemicals in a life-friendly direction.

2:10.1

A quick reminder that these dialogues were recorded on video.

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