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From KQED in San Francisco, I'm Alexis Madrigal.

Why do monkeys belly flop, elephants mud slide, and rats play fight in his new book, Kingdom of Play,

and professor David Toomey set out to answer these questions.

You might be surprised to learn that the scientific literature is a little skimpy

on animal play, far skimpier than the number of viral videos of crows sledding or animal friends

playing together. We'll hear from Toomey on how to define animal play and how to understand

why animals do it. And of course, we'll hear from you about animals you've observed and wondered about.

That's all coming up next after this news.

Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal. David Toomey's new book, Kingdom of Play,

takes us to some wild places, dreaming as play, octopuses bouncing balls, the way exotic birds romance each other.

But I want to start with something a little more familiar to us all. The absurdity of my beautiful tiny idiot dog, Laslo and his little buddies, Typo and Fava,

when he gets around these similar-sized friends, they can rassel and chase each other and mouth each other's legs for literally hours.

And then he'll flop exhausted onto our bed after a play session like that and set his head

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