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Why Corporate Jobs Are Quietly Collapsing

Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips

Eric Siu and Neil Patel

Careers, Business, Marketing

4.6 β€’ 1.3K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Eric and Neil unpack the death of the corporate job and the hidden economy of nonsense. They discuss how corporate bloat, AI automation, and shifting job data reveal the end of traditional roles β€” and what that means for modern marketers. The duo explores AI-powered agentic workflows, smart micromanagement, burnout myths, and how founders can scale without losing momentum. Plus, why β€œriches in niches” often stalls growth and how to build compounding products that win long-term. Key takeaways ● Lean operators thrive as AI reshapes corporate work ● Agentic AI tools outperform slide decks and theory ● Micromanage risk, not weaknesses TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Death of the corporate job (01:36) Corporate bloat and doc culture (02:37) What ADP’s job data signals (03:37) Agencies vs. AI agents (06:18) Micromanagement as a tool 𝗔𝗕𝗒𝗨𝗧 π—§π—›π—˜ π—–π—›π—”π—‘π—‘π—˜π—Ÿ Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOSTS Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel FREE RESOURCES Growth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/

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0:00.0

By the way, this one's interesting to me. So this is the death of the corporate jobs. So get this. The most honest person I met recently was a VP at a tech company who told me, I manage a team of 12 people who create documents for other teams who create documents for senior leadership who don't read documents. I make 150 pounds a year, 150K pounds a year. Okay. So let's call that like 180, something like that, right? It's completely absurd. And I'm writing it as long as I can while I'm building something on the side. So this, this is a substack post and it's called the Hidden Economy of Nonsense. And I literally, I met a friend recently who works at a large, multi-trillion dollar company, right? And he's, I'm like, so what do you do there now? He's like, oh, yeah, like, I go into meetings and I make sure that everyone's connected

0:41.0

and they know they're aligned.

0:42.8

And then I go into other meetings.

0:44.0

And he's like, I'm like, you sit in meetings all day to make sure people are aligned.

0:47.0

He's like, that's my job.

0:48.2

And I'm like, oh, my God.

0:49.3

So this person is posting this. I'm like, man, the death of the corporate job, there's a lot of nonsense going on. There is, especially bigger companies because they're making over $200,000 a year for creating documents for, you lost me here, creating documents for someone else.

1:05.9

I'll read it again.

1:06.8

So I manage a team of 12 people.

1:08.5

This is a VP at a company, at a tech company.

1:10.3

I manage a team of 12 people. All is a VP at a company, at a tech company. I manage a team of 12 people.

1:12.3

All 12 of these people create documents for other teams who create documents for senior

1:17.6

leadership who don't read the documents.

1:19.6

And this team leader gets paid, let's call it, 180,000 US dollars a year.

1:23.5

No, 200 plus.

1:24.8

200 plus?

1:25.4

I don't even know what the pound is. The exchange is now?

1:28.0

I know this because I have...

1:29.6

Do you look at it? No, I have so corporations in so many countries. Yeah, 200 and 2,000 as a 10. Wow. Yeah. Wow. When you have all the offices in different countries, you have to manage money because when things go up and down, you can cost you money. Yeah. That's why I know my treasury strategy.

1:43.4

I'm sure you have.

1:44.0

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:44.8

But 200,000 a year to create documents for another department who uses that to create more documents. For senior leadership, who doesn't read the documents. Do this straight up. You know when my team, they don't send me documents anymore because you want to know why? I't read the documents yeah so you know what they

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