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🗓️ 7 May 2025
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Discover how bond market ETFs have transformed investing — making bonds easier, cheaper, and more accessible than ever. We also explore how the bond market’s very composition has evolved.
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The total return strategy in bonds is far from dead by James Bianco—The Financial Times
What I Learned in My First Year Managing Fixed-Income by Jim Bianco—Bianco Research Advisors
ETFs are eating the bond market by Robin Wigglesworth and Will Schmitt—The Financial Times
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0:00.0 | Welcome to Money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it works, |
0:05.4 | how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host, David Stein. Today is |
0:11.3 | Episode 523. It's titled, Why It's Easier Than Ever to Invest in the Bond Market. When I became an |
0:19.7 | institutional investment advisor in the mid-90s, working |
0:24.0 | mostly with university endowments, private foundations, typically when we got a new client, |
0:31.9 | they would often have a balanced account manager. It was a separately managed account. |
0:37.5 | It might have been a local, a regional bank that managed the assets. |
0:42.8 | And the bond portion of the portfolio might have been a couple dozen bonds. |
0:49.2 | The focus generally was on income. |
0:51.7 | There wasn't a huge focus on outperforming a benchmark like the Bloomberg |
0:57.1 | aggregate bond index, but we would often, as part of the asset allocation and portfolio |
1:04.5 | construction process, introduce a bond mutual fund that could hold hundreds of bonds and had outperformed the overall bond market, |
1:15.4 | typically having done better than the local bond manager. |
1:19.3 | Nine times out of ten, the bond mutual fund that they ended up retaining was the PIMCO |
1:25.9 | total return bond fund. It was managed by Bill Gross, |
1:30.3 | and he was incredibly successful at what he did. Most bond management back in the late 90s, |
1:38.4 | even into the mid-2000s, was actively managed. The management team was actively selecting bond funds. There wasn't that |
1:47.4 | much allocated to bond index funds and certainly not to ETFs. The first bond exchange traded fund |
1:57.8 | was introduced by BGI Capital Barclays in the year 2000. It just was not |
2:04.3 | something that was done. We used mutual funds because firms like PIMCO and others, their |
2:11.1 | separately managed account minimums were typically $50 million a more. And so it was prohibitively |
2:17.4 | challenging to get a separately |
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