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Money For the Rest of Us

Why Bond Investing Is Easier Than Ever

Money For the Rest of Us

J. David Stein

Economy, Economics, Investing Podcast, Business, Investing

4.31.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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0:00.0

Welcome to Money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it works,

0:05.4

how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host, David Stein. Today is

0:11.3

Episode 523. It's titled, Why It's Easier Than Ever to Invest in the Bond Market. When I became an

0:19.7

institutional investment advisor in the mid-90s, working

0:24.0

mostly with university endowments, private foundations, typically when we got a new client,

0:31.9

they would often have a balanced account manager. It was a separately managed account.

0:37.5

It might have been a local, a regional bank that managed the assets.

0:42.8

And the bond portion of the portfolio might have been a couple dozen bonds.

0:49.2

The focus generally was on income.

0:51.7

There wasn't a huge focus on outperforming a benchmark like the Bloomberg

0:57.1

aggregate bond index, but we would often, as part of the asset allocation and portfolio

1:04.5

construction process, introduce a bond mutual fund that could hold hundreds of bonds and had outperformed the overall bond market,

1:15.4

typically having done better than the local bond manager.

1:19.3

Nine times out of ten, the bond mutual fund that they ended up retaining was the PIMCO

1:25.9

total return bond fund. It was managed by Bill Gross,

1:30.3

and he was incredibly successful at what he did. Most bond management back in the late 90s,

1:38.4

even into the mid-2000s, was actively managed. The management team was actively selecting bond funds. There wasn't that

1:47.4

much allocated to bond index funds and certainly not to ETFs. The first bond exchange traded fund

1:57.8

was introduced by BGI Capital Barclays in the year 2000. It just was not

2:04.3

something that was done. We used mutual funds because firms like PIMCO and others, their

2:11.1

separately managed account minimums were typically $50 million a more. And so it was prohibitively

2:17.4

challenging to get a separately

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