This is the US. Me and my wife we celebrated our five year anniversary this past summer. We met in 2017.

I was the principal of one school and she worked at the other school and we met at her

supervisor's birthday party I asked her out and then she got me a trip to Cuba

for Valentine's Day and I was like geez if this is my Valentine's Day

president and I have to propose in Cuba because like what an opportunity I proposed

to her in Cuba but they have serious restrictions around

homosexuality and so we just kind of like looked at each other really delighted and

there was no like big there was no big embrace until we got back to the hotel room.

So five years later, we're still in it.

This is Angela Stupancic, who's speaking to me from her home in Washington, D.C.

After that proposal in Cuba, she and Sahela got married, and in 2020, they started looking

at the possibility of having a child together.

She had always wanted to be a mom.

I would say that I, that, you know, desire didn't really lie too deeply inside me.

It's not something that defined me as a woman.

I was going to be just fine without kids. But you know when you meet

someone and you love them and then you like love their dreams and hopes and you're like, oh yeah, why not?

Okay, let's do this together. Let's embark on this wild journey together.

They had a few options firstly adoption but

Sahela wanted to carry, so that was out. IVF was another, that had involved

getting someone they know or someone they don't know to donate sperm and for one of their

eggs to be fertilised with it in a lab.

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