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A Bit Fruity with Matt Bernstein

Why Are People Going Back Into the Closet?

A Bit Fruity with Matt Bernstein

Matt Bernstein

Society & Culture, News Commentary, News

4.92.2K Ratings

🗓️ 27 June 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

From granola fascism to the manosphere, much gets said of the various right-wing pipelines people have gone down in the years since lockdown. One such pipeline remains more mysterious. When you think of conversion therapy, do you imagine a doctor administering shocks to a gay man strapped to a chair? A queer child sent to conversion camp against their will? What if a queer adult goes to ex-gay camp of their own volition? What if someone's conversion therapy is simply a playlist of ex-gay testimonial videos on YouTube — what can laws do to prevent kids and adults from watching them? Today, Kat Tenbarge and I examine ex-queer case studies, from beloved YouTuber Lohanthony to detransitioners, and try to understand what “conversion therapy” means in 2025. It’s understood that more people will come out  as a society becomes friendlier to queerness — but can that pattern also work in reverse? Listen to bonus episodes on Patreon! Subscribe to Kat’s work at Spitfire News. Find me on Instagram. Find A Bit Fruity on Instagram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, hello, and welcome back to A BitFruity. I'm Matt Bernstein. Thank you so much for being here. And

0:07.0

happy pride. We're going to give you a little pride episode today. It's going to be kind of a dark

0:11.0

pride episode, but a pride episode nonetheless. I'm a little hungover. As of the time we're recording

0:16.1

this, Zoron, Mamdani won the New York City Democratic primary last night.

0:28.2

And so it's kind of a rare moment where on the A Bit Fruitie podcast, we are in a very, very, very good mood.

0:30.6

And so we have to do something about that.

0:56.7

We got to ruin it. So there's been this weird. So there's been this weird trend that I've noticed over the last few years, and you might have two, which is that in one way or another, a lot of people seem to be going back into the closet.

1:04.2

One particular instance of this that I've been paying attention to for like four years now is that of Lohanthony,

1:10.3

the once flamboyant, out and proud YouTube A-Lister, who's now a Trump-supporting gospel musician.

1:12.8

Yes, more on that in a second.

1:18.4

But versions of this keep happening, whether it's gay influencers, inexplicably becoming born-again Christians and renouncing their identities, or the seemingly never-ending stream

1:23.9

of new detrans Twitter personalities, many of whom seem to be struggling with their gender

1:29.0

identity very publicly, while claiming at the same time that they've returned to the body

1:34.2

God intended them to live in. It's bizarre. And, you know, the term conversion therapy gets

1:40.3

thrown around a lot, but what does that look like in 2025?

1:50.3

And how do we grapple with the idea that queer adults could be making these decisions entirely on their own, supposedly?

1:54.0

I want to interrogate what I've pieced together from observing this bizarre and honestly

1:59.0

very dark pattern that I've been noticing, try to make sense

2:02.4

of it and hopefully create a path forward where this doesn't keep happening.

2:07.2

Because I want my girls to be out.

2:08.9

It's fucking pride.

2:09.8

Why are you in the closet?

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