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🗓️ 1 October 2025
⏱️ 10 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | In the U.S., national security news can feel far away from daily life. |
| 0:05.0 | Distant wars, murky conflicts, diplomacy behind closed doors on our new show, Sources and Methods. |
| 0:11.5 | NPR reporters on the ground bring you stories of real people, helping you understand why distant events matter here at home. |
| 0:18.8 | Listen to sources and methods on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:24.4 | You're listening to Shortwave from NPR. |
| 0:29.4 | Hey, shortwaver is Regina Barber here. |
| 0:32.0 | And today I'm joined by NPR science reporter Jonathan Lambert. |
| 0:35.2 | Hey, John. |
| 0:35.8 | Hey, Gina. |
| 0:36.4 | Okay, so you're here today to make a case for |
| 0:39.0 | scavengers like vultures and hyenas that they're good for human health. I mean, honestly, |
| 0:45.7 | I believe it. They're usually smart. They clean up dead stuff. Yeah, totally. To me, though, |
| 0:50.6 | health isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I picture a vulture hunched |
| 0:54.8 | over the rancid rotting flesh of a dead cow, tearing strings of lifeless meat from bone until |
| 1:00.5 | there's nothing left. I really love this visual you're giving me. Yeah, it's that rotting |
| 1:06.0 | stuff laying around that's not good for us humans. Right. And scavenger's taste for that rotting |
| 1:10.8 | stuff actually has major benefits for human health, which is maybe around that's not good for us humans. Right. And scavengers' taste for that rotting stuff |
| 1:11.1 | actually has major benefits for human health, which is maybe best conveyed by a little story. |
| 1:17.0 | Excellent. I love stories. Let's do this. Okay, so we're going to India. Way back in the early |
| 1:22.3 | 1990s, there were some 50 million vultures across India. But in the mid-90s, they started vanishing. |
| 1:29.4 | And over the course of several years, their numbers plummeted by like 95%. |
| 1:34.0 | 95%. |
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