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The Good Fight

Why Americans Fight Over History

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2021

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Matthew Karp is a contributing editor for Jacobin magazine and associate professor of history at Princeton University. An expert on the Civil War era and slavery, his writing poses a challenge to a right too sanguine about the darkest corners of America’s past, and a left too eager to embrace despair about the arc of history. In this week’s conversation, Matthew Karp and Yascha Mounk discuss the "1619 Project,” the politics of history from Juneteenth to the Confederacy, and why an accurate conception of the past is key to shaping a better future. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:32.1

Part of the motivation for this new narrative of history comes from a sense of the way in which that old narrative was so deeply complacent that it ignored the persistence of deep inequalities

0:42.8

across all of these supposed progressive changes.

0:46.0

And I think under the leadership of liberal presidents

0:49.6

like Clinton and Obama, there was a sense on the left and maybe even among many so-called liberals

0:55.1

that this wigish account of America's change was really failing to address these deep

1:01.6

inequalities that actually in the last 50 years say since the civil rights

1:04.8

movement had done very little to challenge.

1:08.1

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. I'm

1:15.0

I'm recording today from a very special place.

1:19.0

The ancestral asshole in the state of Alexi de Togville in Normandy. So yesterday I had the pleasure of holding my hands the first

1:27.1

edition of Democracy in America that was a 500 print run and I held it just as I was standing about the desk in which Tocville actually wrote up his reflections about America after returning from the country.

1:41.0

And so obviously it got me thinking about what is the same and what is different today, which parts of today's America talk will recognize and which parts he might be surprised or perhaps even shocked by.

1:56.0

I think much of America he would recognize the passion for equality continues even for America continues to be a deeply unequal country.

2:05.0

Talk will recognize the importance of race in America,

2:09.0

and he would be unsurprised by the way in which it divides the country today.

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