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The Stacking Benjamins Show

Why 67% of Americans Fear Running Out of Money More Than Dying (And What to Do About It) SB1840

The Stacking Benjamins Show

Joe Saul-Sehy and Josh ‘OG’ Bannerman, CFP

Financial Planning, Cfp, Education, Business, Retirement, Personal Finance, Money, Investing

4.42K Ratings

🗓️ 11 May 2026

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

A new study just confirmed what most people in their 40s already feel but rarely say out loud: running out of money is scarier than death. Gen X is leading that number at 73% -- and the reasons why make a lot of sense when you look at what that generation is actually navigating. No pensions. Rising costs. Longer retirements. Markets that never seem to settle. Joe, OG, and Len Penzo dig into the data, the psychology, and the practical steps that actually move the needle.

What You'll Walk Away With

  • Why Gen X is more worried about retirement than either baby boomers or millennials -- and the pension gap that explains most of it
  • The Social Security stress test OG recommends for every retirement plan -- and why neither he nor Len think it's going away
  • Why checking your portfolio every time the market drops is one of the most expensive habits a long-term investor can have
  • The automation argument that cuts through the discipline myth -- and why your systems matter far more than your willpower
  • Why the debt normalization shift that happened sometime in the late 1970s is still costing people their retirement today
  • The three-layer retirement income framework OG and Anna walk through -- Social Security, pensions and annuities, and investment withdrawals -- and how to find your gap number
  • The 4% rule explained in plain math -- including the inflation adjustment most people skip and why it matters enormously
  • What sequence of return risk actually means in practice -- and the floor strategy that keeps you from panic-selling at exactly the wrong moment
  • Why running out of money in retirement is mostly a planning problem, not a math problem -- and what that distinction changes
  • The ongoing battle to name OG and Anna's financial basics segment -- and why "The Financial Dwarves with Happy and Grumpy" didn't make the cut

Why This Matters Now

If you're in your 40s and that 67% statistic landed somewhere uncomfortable, you're not behind -- you're paying attention. The gap between fear and a plan is smaller than most people think, and this episode maps it out in terms you can actually act on this week. The math is real, the tools exist, and the biggest obstacle for most people isn't knowledge. It's starting.

From the Basement

Joe, OG, and Len Penzo dig into a sobering Investment News study on retirement fears before OG and Anna kick off season two of their financial basics series with a full retirement income planning walkthrough -- complete with a guidebook you can download and follow along. Doug arrives with Festivus trivia that everyone over 40 finds insultingly easy. The segment naming debate continues with no resolution in sight, though The Study and The Financial Dwarves with Happy and Grumpy both made spirited cases.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

We are back and we brought a guest.

0:04.2

Well, is he really a guest? He's like the house guest that, you know, when you got the spare room, you're like, oh, that's Lens room. I still have the key, Joe. I still have the key. You know, I've never turned it in. Well, we know that mom likes you better than us anyway. So, I mean, let's be realistic. Mr. Penzo. How you been? I'm doing pretty well, but,

0:22.2

you know, this gets retired and I've just been feeling old and, oh boy. And yeah, I can't help.

0:28.7

And unfortunately for me, last week, I was, you know, I was walking by the cemetery and two guys

0:32.3

attacked me with shovel. So I know I'm really, really getting old.

0:37.3

Oh my God.

0:40.1

He's back.

0:41.5

You know he's back?

0:43.5

Doug shaking.

0:44.5

Yeah,

0:44.7

that was not good,

0:46.0

Doug.

0:46.2

I mean,

0:46.5

it's fine.

0:47.7

It's not going in the Len Hall of Fame,

0:50.1

but it's,

0:50.8

it's okay.

0:52.7

Everybody can't hear the dagger stares that o g and dug are given the lead

0:56.4

right now like really it's a monday i'm used to o g giving him to me but but when i when doug's shaking

1:02.4

his head i really am i know that's a that was a be better i think that means you're winning lead

1:07.1

that means you're winning it does well the uh not only do we have lEM with us, of course, we have this tradition, if you're new here, that we start off every Monday with. So everybody, raise your mugs because we're going to salute those men and women who kept us safe during the off week and this last wonderful weekend that we all had. So big thanks to the troops. Here's to you. Thank you for all that you do on behalf of the men and women. Stackin' Benjamins around the world and the men and women in mom's basement, Craking Out podcast that we can all learn from. Thanks for all you do. So I'll go stack them together now, shall we? Thanks, everybody. Here's the song that we'd like to do for all the younger set of people, the teenagers,

1:45.8

and what have you.

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