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Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Who Owns Democracy? The Real Deep State and The Struggle Over Class and Caste with Sociologist Charles Derber, PhD

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8 • 684 Ratings

🗓️ 7 October 2024

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

United States history is often portrayed more through myth than historical fact. The true story of America, from its founding rebellion to the present day, is extraordinarily complex. The truth can sometimes seem almost unimaginable due to the numerous injustices and inequities throughout its history. Despite the ideals expressed by the nation’s founders in the Preamble to the Constitution—to form “a more perfect Union,” establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure liberty for future generations—America’s creation was rooted in systems of class and caste. As discussed in this episode of the Influence Continuum, the idea of a fair system initially created to be accessible to all is an aspect of that founding myth.  Charles Derber, a Professor of Sociology at Boston College and life-long activist has authored 28 books on topics such as politics, democracy, fascism, corporations, capitalism, climate change, war, culture wars, and social change. In this episode of the Influence Continuum, he helped us delve deeper into the historical dynamics of class and caste. His latest book, co-authored with Yale R. Magrass, Who Owns Democracy? The Real Deep State and the Struggle Over Class and Caste in America presents a candid discussion about the hard truths of power and who predominantly bears the burden or responsibility of the deep state. This was a fascinating hour with a true scholar.  Learn more about Steven Hassan and Freedom of Mind Resource Center. Visit freedomofmind.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of the influence continuum.

0:09.9

And I have with me a guest from Massachusetts, a tenured sociology professor at Boston College,

0:19.5

Charles Derber, who I was introduced to through a mutual

0:23.4

friend. And we had dinner together and I was fascinated to learn more about him.

0:30.8

Man, Charlie, you've done 28 books. I'm in awe. I've done four. But, you know, good for you. I'll just read a few of the titles.

0:42.2

Wilding of America, The Pursuit of Attention, Sociopathic Society, Corporate Nation, People Before

0:50.6

Profit, Dying for Capitalism, Greed to green, welcome to the revolution.

0:57.4

But we want to talk about this volume, Who Owns Democracy, the Real Deep State and the

1:04.5

struggle over class and caste in America?

1:08.6

And this is a scholarly publisher, Rutledge.

1:12.3

I've done a few chapters in textbooks with Rutledge.

1:17.6

The cartoon, by the way, says,

1:20.7

almost extinct and then endangered species in the U.S.,

1:24.7

including a democracy image.

1:29.5

You did this book with another sociology professor of UMass, Dartmouth, I believe,

1:36.3

Yale R. McGrath, who you've also co-authored a number of volumes with.

1:42.3

This book has been translated into 14 languages.

1:46.6

And you are a public sociologist, long-time activist, and you write about structural and

1:53.3

cultural analysis of capitalism, public goods, the environment, social movement, seeking

1:59.8

transformational change. and you are a lifelong

2:03.7

activist for peace and social justice. You're my kind of guy. All I can say is I want to share

2:13.5

with my listeners, and this was a conversational thing between you and Dr. McGrass where you

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