Who is Winning the Drone War?
Ukrainecast
BBC
4.7 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 18 August 2023
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
Why drones are so important in the war for both Ukraine and Russia.
How do drones work? Who makes them? And, crucially, who’s winning the drone production race?
The BBC’s Security Correspondent Frank Gardner and Dr Marina Miron from King’s College London talk us through it all.
And, Politico journalist Eva Hartog gives her fist interview after being kicked out of Russia following a decade of living and reporting from Moscow.
Today’s episode is presented by Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaly Shevchenko. The producers were Arsenii Sokolov, Paige Neal-Holder and Ivana Davidovic. The technical producer was Emma Crowe. The series producer is Tim Walklate. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. Email Ukrainecast@bbc.co.uk with your questions and comments. You can also send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram to +44 330 1239480.
You can join the Ukrainecast discussion on Newscast’s Discord server here: tinyurl.com/ukrainecastdiscord.
TOPICS:
00:04 - Viktoria Kovalenko 03:23 - Drone warfare 09:45 - Listener questions 15:30 - Eva Hartog
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. |
| 0:04.9 | Hello, it's 541 days since Russia began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:11.0 | And we have had many messages from you about our episode last week with Victoria Kovalenko. |
| 0:16.7 | Victoria, as you know, lost her husband and 12-year-old daughter, as they were trying |
| 0:21.3 | to escape from their town in northern Ukraine last year, and she has been living in the |
| 0:25.8 | UK with her one-year-old, who's now two, Bavara, since December last year. |
| 0:30.8 | And she was essentially telling us how she was doing here in the UK. |
| 0:34.9 | I'm telling you, it's because you're just listening to me, and you're listening to me. |
| 0:46.2 | And they cannot give me false assurances, like sometimes somebody in one-to-one conversation |
| 0:54.0 | that says, oh, hold on, everything will be fine. |
| 0:57.4 | And I don't believe it's going to be fine. |
| 0:59.8 | So you're listening to me, you'll let me cry. |
| 1:03.7 | And you don't give me silly advice to hold on. |
| 1:10.7 | Tim Jackson is a Ukraine cast-list, and he lives in Rosendale, here in the UK, and he wrote |
| 1:17.7 | Victoria's description of needing to talk to people who've been through the same thing |
| 1:21.6 | brought back memories of when I lost my wife many years ago. |
| 1:25.2 | I found that talking to people who'd also had a bereavement was like sharing our own |
| 1:29.0 | world, or perhaps like having a private language. |
| 1:32.3 | It was nice to escape from the fatuous comments of people, ordinary people, and to be able |
| 1:36.6 | to break taboos and discuss subjects that others would find inappropriate. |
| 1:41.0 | It was also nice that I felt that the person I was talking to was getting something out |
| 1:44.9 | of the conversation too. |
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