You know, I wanted to ask, and you know, in all of these cases, we've seen so many big cases this year that we've covered on this show and other podcasts have covered.

And there's so much because of all of the, basically the light shined on all these cases by so many different opinions.

Who is Brian Koeberger? we know that he was a doctoral

student at uh washington university uh we know he was from pennsylvania but we know at one time he was a

heroin addict he's probably a loner i mean all of these theories about him being an

in cell and these other things but and what we would say at being in law enforcement we say no way

does someone go out on the first time and kill four people but i would never say that because i because I've seen someone have no criminal history and start out with the most horrific crime ever.

Professor Mike.

Yeah, Billy, it's really strange because, you know, he is a loner.

He doesn't seem to have a lot of close friends.

He's got, but he has a normal,

quite regular, common family, two sisters, a mom and a dad, a very traditional family.

And here he is. Someone who outwardly, in some respects, looks like a very successful student.

Got his bachelor's degree. He's got his master's degree

from DeSalle or something like that. And then he goes out to the University of Washington.

And suddenly, from the time he gets there in August till November 13th, he appears to be an ordinary

student. Yeah, he's having some problems. So it is rather strange, but as you're

talking, I would like to ask Dr. Debbie Goodman a question. And that is, and this has bothered me,

because even though we know what they got his DNA and I'm 90, I'm 100,000 percent sure, it's him.

Is it possible that he had, he began having some sort of murder ideation in his head?

And within, say, six weeks of getting to, I, to Washington, a place he'd never been before, and that he had found somebody to be

enamored with, infatuated with, and plan a killing. Is that something that, have you ever

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