It's to the best of our knowledge. I'm Anne Strange Champs. Today, who is a patriot?

44% of the people surveyed in a new national poll say they don't often feel proud to be American.

So does that mean 44% of the nation is unpatriotic? I'm Anne Strain Champs, and on this 4th of July weekend, we're asking, can you disagree with,

even feel embarrassed by your country's actions, and still be a patriot?

For example, would you consider Edward Snowden a patriot?

Sarah Nix put that question to Guardian journalist Luke Harding, author of The Snowden Files.

Just for people who need to get caught up, could you give us just a brief summary of the information Snowden has released about the surveillance that the U.S. and other governments are doing?

Well, what we now know, thanks to Snowden, is that the US and the UK in particular are spying on collecting the data of pretty much everybody.

So we're talking about Americans whose telephone records are being hoovered up secretly or secretly until Snowden came along.

We're talking about Europeans, Latin Americans, that

essentially the ambition of the NSA is limitless to collect all of the data all of the time,

as General Alexander, the former NSA chief, put it. And this is actually the kind of biggest

program of surveillance. Snowden calls it pre-criminal surveillance in human history. There's been

nothing like this before. And so we're at a new crossroads in terms of how we deal with this

and the fact that our privacy as citizens is rapidly disappearing. And what does he mean by

pre-criminal? What Snowden means is that if you think traditionally about spying, spying by our intelligence

agencies was against bad guys, terrorists, the Soviet Union, the Chinese leadership, and so on,

al-Qaeda. And what's really happened, I think, and we've seen the documents, Stodon gave us the

documents since 9-11, is that this mission has turned into something much more kind of amorphous, whereby data has been collected on everybody, on grandmothers in Wyoming, or, you know, my aunt in London, on really the citizens of the planet, just in case in the future, they raise triggers, they set alarms off

inside the NSA's headquarters in Fort Meade. And then analysts will be able to retrospectively

sift all of the data to sort of see, make connections and see if there's been any kind of

wrongdoing going on. And this is a kind of profound change in the way intelligence gathering is being operated from sort of particularized

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