Who Gets to Have Their Own Country?
The Inquiry
BBC
4.6 • 1.7K Ratings
🗓️ 3 August 2017
⏱️ 24 minutes
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Summary
You might think simple rules decide the creation of nation states. You'd be wrong.
There are plenty of people out there who want their own state - like in Iraqi Kurdistan and Catalonia, which both have independence referendums coming up. Yet the national governments in Baghdad and Madrid say the votes - whatever their outcome - won't result in new countries. So how do you start a new country? Making sense of an atlas dotted with exceptions, special cases and lands in limbo, we ask: who gets to have their own country?
(Photo: Young boy holds a pro-Independence Catalan flag (Senyera) during Catalonia National Day. Credit: Quique Garcia/Getty Images)
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| 0:00.0 | Just before this BBC podcast gets underway, here's something you may not know. |
| 0:04.7 | My name's Linda Davies and I Commission Podcasts for BBC Sounds. |
| 0:08.5 | As you'd expect, at the BBC we make podcasts of the very highest quality featuring the most knowledgeable experts and genuinely engaging voices. |
| 0:18.0 | What you may not know is that the BBC makes podcasts about all kinds of things like pop stars, |
| 0:24.6 | poltergeist, cricket, and conspiracy theories and that's just a few examples. |
| 0:29.7 | If you'd like to discover something a little bit unexpected, find your next podcast over at BBC Sounds. |
| 0:36.2 | Welcome to the Inquiry on the BBC World Service. |
| 0:39.0 | Each week we bring you four expert witnesses, answering one pressing question from the news. |
| 0:47.4 | In early June this year, the President of Catalonia, Carlos Pujdemon, stood in front of a microphone in a stone courtyard filled with orange trees. |
| 0:56.8 | The ancient palace around him had been the seat of Catalan government since the Middle |
| 1:01.2 | Ages. |
| 1:02.2 | Back then, Catalonia was independent. Now it's an |
| 1:06.1 | autonomous region that's long been part of Spain. With his floppy fringe, |
| 1:12.2 | glasses and salmon pink tie, President Pudge de Monn seemed an unlikely |
| 1:17.1 | revolutionary, but his speech that day proposed a momentous change, a referendum in October this year when Catalans will vote on whether to leave |
| 1:26.3 | Spain and become an independent republic. Independence is in the air. Just two days earlier a tweet from the President of Iraqi Kurdistan |
| 1:36.0 | announced a referendum there too at around the same time. |
| 1:40.0 | The question, whether Iraqi Kurdistan should become independent of Iraq, |
| 1:44.7 | where it too is currently an autonomous region. |
| 1:50.9 | But both these votes face a big problem. Their national governments haven't agreed to the polls. |
| 1:57.0 | Spain and Iraq say no matter how people vote, these regions won't be becoming freshly minted states. |
| 2:05.3 | So this week on the inquiry, we're asking, who gets to have their own country? Part 1, a people's prerogative. |
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