Previously, White Laws, we have effectively lost control of our borders.

There's an issue here which is we can't win even if we win.

It was very difficult to know who was who without holding people for a while.

These people were not in the United States.

It just goes against the grain of all sense of their play that we've gotten this country.

Those people are illegally in this country.

They have no right to be here and we have a right to hold them for as long as we have to

to protect the safety of the American people.

You can make it right at the next street and we'll go down the back of the prison.

Early last summer, we were driving around the perimeter of the Atlanta Penitentiary

with Patrick O'Neill, our guide, writing shotgun.

O'Neill is a Catholic peace activist, a member of the Plough Shares movement.

A group that takes its name from a passage in the Book of Isaiah,

where the faithful are told to beat their swords into plough shares.

He spent the past four decades committing acts of civil disobedience in the name of disarmament,

things like sabotaging ballistic missiles, throwing blood on the Pentagon,

and vandalizing naval bases.

And when you commit crimes on federal property, you're tried in federal court.

Back in 1982 was my first time actually being in the Penitentiary.

I had been arrested at Fort Bragg in North Carolina

because at that time Fort Bragg was training El Salvadoran death squads.

So we did a protest there, a group of us, and I got a 90-day federal prison sentence.

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