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The following podcast contains explicit language. I'm Stephen Metcalf and this is the Slate Culture Gapfest Whiskey and Pepto-Bismal edition.

It's Wednesday, May 30, 2018.

On today's show, first reformed, it's being hailed as a return to form for writer, director Paul Schrader.

It stars Ethan Hawk as a among many things. And then my favorite murderer is a beloved podcast and it is a massive

enviously massive hit in which two comedians retel stories from the

grisly homicides of yore. It's funny, irreverent, it has a huge following that following includes my daughter did we like it we'll find out and finally

Tucker Max has gone from toxic masculinity performance artist to woke Bro or so he says we discuss with

slate's own Laura Bennett joining me today is slate's film critic Dana

hey Dana hey Dana hey there Stephen did I introduce you first by mistake? Well whatever we'll flow with it and of course

Slate's editor is Julia Turner. Hey Julia. Hello being introduced a second is an indignity that I can't possibly stomach.

Why do you always think I've been insulted all this time when I was like, why do we care?

It seems like we should we should toggle.

Except I guess the routine of the pattern is part of the show, but...

It's the Pavlovian appeal to our listeners of certain things, you know, obeying an inflexible pattern.

Happy to be introduced.

Just happy to be here in any order.

Paul Schrader is probably best known for writing the screen plays to Martin Scorsse

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