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The Ben Ferguson Podcast

When will you stop Daycare Scam? When I can Buy a Couple Nice Houses in Nairobi

The Ben Ferguson Podcast

iHeartPodcasts

News Commentary, News, Politics

4.8 • 5.4K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2026

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

1. Scope of Fraud

  • The testimony describes large‑scale, systemic fraud within Minnesota’s Child Care Assistance Program (CCAP).
  • Individual childcare centers allegedly billed hundreds of thousands to over $1 million annually, often with no real children present.

2. Organized and Long‑Running Scheme

  • Fraud was not isolated or accidental; it showed characteristics of a loosely organized criminal enterprise operating for years (at least 2014–2019).
  • Some perpetrators reportedly learned about the scheme before arriving in the U.S., indicating cross‑border knowledge of vulnerabilities in the system.

3. Common Fraud Methods

  • Billing for nonexistent children and extended hours (e.g., multiple shifts, 7 days a week).
  • Operating “paper” childcare centers that closed immediately once payments were stopped.
  • Kickback arrangements involving parents, co‑owners, or employees.
  • Reusing addresses and reopening under new business names after enforcement actions.

4. Evidence Gathered by Investigators

  • Physical surveillance showed centers operating without children or staff.
  • Electronic evidence (texts, phones, computers) revealed admissions of fraud and intent to profit.
  • Investigations led to multiple felony convictions, including at least one federal case with prison time and restitution exceeding $1 million.

5. Overwhelming Volume of Fraud

  • Investigators received so many credible tips that they had to prioritize only the highest‑dollar cases.
  • Centers billing less than ~$700,000 often could not be addressed due to limited resources.

6. Internal Resistance and Obstruction

  • According to the whistleblower, senior DHS officials discouraged, undermined, or obstructed investigations once fraud became large and visible.
  • Actions alleged include:
    • Attempts to alter or suppress information sent to the Legislative Auditor
    • Harassment and intimidation of investigators
    • Organizational changes that reduced investigators’ authority
    • Procedural delays that significantly reduced investigative capacity

7. Retaliation Against Whistleblowers

  • Investigators who pushed fraud cases reportedly faced:
    • Threats and bullying
    • Negative performance actions
    • Loss of decision‑making power
  • The whistleblower ultimately resigned, stating he would not be complicit.

8. Failure of Oversight

  • The testimony suggests institutional tolerance of fraud, contrasting sharply with standards enforced in law enforcement agencies.
  • The whistleblower emphasizes that minor theft would not have been tolerated in his prior roles, while millions in losses were allowed to continue at DHS.

9. Federal Intervention

  • Federal agencies (FBI, IRS‑CI, HHS‑OIG) eventually became involved due to the scale and nature of suspected crimes.
  • Raids, indictments, and convictions occurred after years of state‑level warnings.

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.6

Guaranteed Human.

0:04.3

All right, we've got some really interesting, I would actually say, stunning developments coming out of Minnesota.

0:10.4

When it comes to former vice presidential candidate, Governor Tim Walts.

0:14.6

Now, he's already said he's not going to run for re-election because of the massive Somali fraud in his state.

0:20.2

But now what we're witnessing is something that's even more shocking than that.

0:23.9

Now, Governor Wall said he was going to show up and he was going to be at this key Minnesota

0:30.9

House oversight hearing that was investigating fraud that's been tied to all the taxpayer-funded

0:36.5

child care programs.

0:38.3

In a stunning turn of events, he was a no-show. Now, this is hours after he took credit for the

0:45.9

FBI, rating the Learing Center and 20 other different learning centers, quote unquote, and he acted like he was a part of it.

0:56.4

In fact, even on X, he put out this tweet yesterday that said, quote, if you commit fraud in

1:01.4

Minnesota, you're going to get caught.

1:04.2

And that's exactly what we saw today.

1:06.4

We catch criminals when state and federal agencies share information.

1:10.5

Joint investigations work and securing justice depends on it.

1:15.2

Now, that is like a complete opposite of what actually happened with Governor Walts.

1:19.8

There's a reason why he's not running for reelection.

1:22.0

It's because everything in that tweet that, by the way, I support was not happening while he was in charge.

1:26.9

So not only does Governor Waltz try to rewrite history and take credit for the FBI

1:31.3

raids in Minnesota, but Casper tell, the FBI director, actually threw down on this.

1:36.8

He wrote this in response, quote, this FBI and DOJ executed every warrant.

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