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Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread.

Today, I'm talking to Thomas Hubel, who many of you know is one of my favorite people to have on the podcast.

Thank you. Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread. On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here. My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all collectively learn and grow.

Here is today's guest, Thomas Huber, on reimagining what conflict could look like.

It looks like, oh, conflict is spinning apart.

And I think that needs to be examined.

Spinning apart is my past getting fast and furious in me, as you said.

And then we think, oh, this reactivity is how we are.

And I would say, no, this reactivity is how we are when the hurt part of us comes online and needs to scream the pain that has never been heard. Thomas Eubel is a renowned teacher,

author, an international facilitator whose work has focused on resilience and healing individual,

ancestral, and collective trauma. Thomas has been on pulling the

thread several times, as we seem to be in an extended conversation with one another about

so many of life's big topics. Today, we're exploring some of our biggest fractured interpretations

of the world and how we can gain more clarity and connection. We talk about the impulse to become

very certain about something very quickly and our tendency to see other people in 2D, along with

the consequences of doing so. We also talk about building the capacity to hold multiple

perspectives and more complexity and using our own energy to balance, temper, or shift a larger

energy that can feel overwhelming. We talk about different ways to approach conflict and letting

go of our commitment to having the most extreme reaction. We also get into some of our

judgments around wellness and self-care. Let's get to Thomas.

Before we were recording, we were chatting about the fact that I live in Los Angeles,

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