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And we think of the Nazis as this ultimate evil that couldn't be challenged and this game challenges that idea. You're listening to War College, a weekly podcast that brings you the stories from behind the front

lines.

Here are your hosts, Matthew Galt and Jason Fields. Berlin,

1943. Hitler has all but conquered Europe, but struggles in Russia. Millions of Jews have already been murdered in the Holocaust.

In the midst of this, a protest occurred in Berlin.

It was led by Aryan, quote unquote, women against the deportation of their Jewish husbands and relatives.

It was the only public German protest against the deportation of the Jews.

Jessica Hammer and Moira Turkington are here to talk to us about that protest and the game they've designed based upon it.

It's called Rosenstrassa.

Hammer is an assistant professor at Carnegie Mellon University

and Turkington is the leader of Warbirds, a woman's game design collective.

Jessica and Moira, thank you both so much for joining us.

Glad to be here.

Thanks for inviting us.

Moira, can you tell us a little bit about Warbirds games?

So they're what I would call Chamber Games.

They're small generally intimate games for three to five, sometimes a little more players

that are dealing with women fighting on the front lines of history.

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