This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Karen Reid.

Yeah, there's a lot here.

So we're just going to dive right in.

One of the latest things that's gone down here in the trial of Karen Reed over the last handful of days, a man named Judson Welcher marched into that courtroom.

And he kind of changed the game.

Came in with the science,

with the facts,

with really undisputable facts

about vehicle, where it was,

his phone, how the vehicle

pretty much struck John O'Keefe

without a doubt.

Now, in tension, that's a whole other thing.

But I think he walked away out of there.

It's still in there right now, actually.

I think he walked out of the prosecution's direct laying down some very hard things that I don't know are going to ever exit

the jury's mind joining me to discuss Robin Drake retired FBI special agent former chief of the

counterintelligence behavioral analysis program thoughts on Mr. Welcher yeah wow um every week uh we in, Tony and I give you a swinging pendulum here. And it's not swinging wide each week. It's a little bit of defense this week, a little bit of prosecution this week. Well, with his testimony this week, we are way over on prosecution. I am finally happy to see some hardcore objective data. There's no subjective

people. There's no opinions. This is just like hard facts and science that came into the

courtroom finally. And the way he's presenting it is so good. So not just him as a researcher, scientist, and an expert in his

field, where he's very methodical about everything, very detail-oriented on any, you can tell he's

paying attention to every single question. So that's what the other part I want to get into,

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