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The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

When Bipolar and ADHD Overlap: Treatment 2

The Carlat Psychiatry Podcast

Pocket Psychiatry: A Carlat Podcast

Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Medicine, Alternative Health

4.8440 Ratings

🗓️ 2 December 2024

⏱️ 11 minutes

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How to treat ADHD in bipolar disorder without destabilizing mood part 2: non-stimulants and supplements.CME: Take the CME Post-Test for this Episode (https://www.thecarlatreport.com/blogs/2-the-carlat-psychiatry-podcast/post/4896-when-bipolar-and-adhd-overlap-treatment-2)Published On: 12/02/2024Duration: 11 minutes, 01 secondsChris Aiken and Kellie Newsome, PMHNP have disclosed no relevant financial or other interests in any commercial companies pertaining to this educational activity.

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0:00.0

Today, we return with a full review of treatments for ADHD and bipolar disorder.

0:08.4

Welcome to the Carlythe Psychiatry Podcast, keeping psychiatry honest since 2003.

0:14.1

I'm Chris Aiken, the editor-in-chief of the Carlatte Psychiatry Report.

0:17.9

And I'm Kelly Newsom, a psychiatric MP, and a dedicated reader of every issue.

0:26.4

Last week, you learned that the stimulants, methamphetamines, are often used for cognitive

0:32.3

problems in ADHD and bipolar disorder.

0:36.1

Despite a real lack of evidence supporting them, despite animal models

0:40.3

where they're used to worsen bipolar or cause bipolar, and despite other risks like

0:46.3

mania, psychosis, and neurotoxicity. So we recommended that if you're going to use a

0:52.3

stimulant, try to use methylphenidate in place

0:55.6

of amphetamine and bipolar.

0:57.2

It's less risky.

0:58.6

And try to keep the doses low, because those problems we mentioned are dose-dependent.

1:06.1

We then went on to list my top treatments for bipolar and ADHD, because there are two treatments

1:14.0

that don't harm the brain and that treat both illnesses. Those are armadaphanil for bipolar

1:22.1

depression and for ADHD, or clonidine, which treats bipolar mania and ADHD.

1:29.9

But there are many other options that you might consider.

1:33.4

Let's get into them today, starting with those other non-stimulants that have an antidepressant-like

1:39.4

structure.

1:41.0

The other FDA-approved non-stimulants are admoxatine, stratera, and viloxazine, Quelberry.

1:48.7

But these are controversial in bipolar disorder because they have antidepressant structures.

1:53.6

Both are known to induce mania, and while admoxatine failed to gain approval as an antidepressant,

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