What Were Kouri Richins' Phone Records Hiding From Police?
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Tony Brueski
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🗓️ 26 May 2026
⏱️ 18 minutes
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Summary
The Summit County Sheriff's Office had the case. But they didn't have the phone records — not the way Todd Gabler got them. Because Eric Richins' business paid for the family's phones, Gabler obtained the billing data directly through Eric's business partner. No warrant. No judge. Different rules for a private investigator.
What those records revealed was a communication pattern nobody had flagged. In the months before and after Eric's death, Kouri's third most contacted person wasn't a close friend or a colleague. It was Carmen Lauber — the housekeeper prosecutors now say sourced the fentanyl that ended Eric's life. Lauber had a criminal history. She was testing positive in drug court. And she was exchanging hundreds of messages with Kouri during the exact window the case hinges on.
Gabler saw it first. He flagged it first. And in Part 1 of this exclusive three-part interview, he tells Tony Brueski how a routine look at billing records cracked open a case that law enforcement hadn't been able to move — and what it felt like to realize, as a lifelong defense investigator, that the evidence was pointing somewhere he'd never had to go before.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers with Tony Brewski. Here now, Tony Brewski. |
| 0:06.1 | Todd Gabbler has been a PI for 34 years. Over 100 homicide cases, every single one for the defense. |
| 0:12.5 | He never sat on the prosecution side of a courtroom until Cory Richens case. |
| 0:18.3 | A month after Eric Richens died, Gabbler got a call about a civil matter. |
| 0:22.9 | What he found turned into something the sheriff's office hadn't cracked on their own yet at that |
| 0:29.5 | point in time. And it turned out to be the case that you've been following, I've been following |
| 0:34.5 | the Corey Richens trial. And all that is the big ball of wrong, that is Corey |
| 0:42.1 | Richens. Todd is with us today to have a discussion, to break down all of this from the case |
| 0:51.1 | itself to just how it's affected him as a human being, being around that level |
| 0:58.6 | of chaos to the point that he was. Todd, thank you for joining us. I really appreciate you reaching |
| 1:04.1 | out to me the other day. Totally by surprise, I get a text to me. I'm like, oh, he's the witness that was |
| 1:10.5 | great, the PI who we loved in that case. And I a text to me. I'm like, oh, he's the witness that was great, the PI who we loved in |
| 1:12.9 | that case. And I was going to say, how did you get my number? And I'm like, oh, he's a PI. |
| 1:19.8 | Well, yes, that's a blessing and a curse. I've got everybody's number. Not hard. Not hard, |
| 1:25.1 | really, quite honestly. But Todd, I want to just kind of start here before we get into everything. |
| 1:30.2 | You were brought in by the Richens family when they started to realize, you know, there's some things that feel kind of off here. |
| 1:38.4 | Just take us back to that place. |
| 1:40.7 | What were those initial conversations about? |
| 1:43.3 | What were they like? |
| 1:45.4 | What were you brought in to do? |
| 1:50.9 | And then we'll kind of slowly, slowly wade into the pool of wrong that is Corey Richens. |
| 1:58.4 | So as I testified at the trial, I was brought in as an investigator for the estate. Yeah. And Corey had, um, just mere days after Eric's death, had, |
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