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🗓️ 10 May 2022
⏱️ 31 minutes
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As we often say on the show, immigration is a labor market story. Since last month, when the Joe Biden administration announced plans to lift Title 42, it’s been the immigration story of the moment. On today’s show, Denise Gilman, director of the immigration clinic and law professor at the University of Texas at Austin, explains how Title 42 was used at the start of the pandemic and what’s next for it.
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| 0:06.0 | Let's do it. |
| 0:07.0 | Hi, I'm Kimberly Adams. |
| 0:09.0 | Welcome to Making Me Smart, where none of us is as smart as all of us. |
| 0:13.0 | I'm Kai Rizdal. |
| 0:14.0 | It is Tuesday, which means it's time for the Weekly Deep Dive into a single topic today. |
| 0:19.0 | It's Title 42, which when it started was not only a rule that let the United States government restrict immigration from certain places, |
| 0:28.0 | when there is a public health crisis. |
| 0:30.0 | You've heard it in the news a lot a year or two ago, and certainly recently as well. |
| 0:35.0 | Because the Trump administration used it at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic to basically justify turning away migrants and asylum seekers at the border, |
| 0:46.0 | sometimes returning them to their own countries, or sometimes returning them to Mexico. |
| 0:50.0 | And then recently, the CDC announced that it would end the use of Title 42 on May 23rd. |
| 1:01.0 | However, now that seems to be maybe not going to happen. |
| 1:05.0 | Yeah, there's a lot that we don't know about this thing, which is why we've got it on the show today. |
| 1:09.0 | Denise Gellman is Director of the Immigration Clinic, also a professor of law at the University of Texas at Austin. |
| 1:15.0 | Professor Gellman, thanks for coming on. |
| 1:17.0 | Thank you for having me. |
| 1:18.0 | Could you give us the official sort of actual explanation of what Title 42 is, please? |
| 1:25.0 | First of all, well, you all did an excellent job of describing it. |
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