Welcome listeners to episode 93 of Know Your Enemy. I'm Sam Adler Bell, one of your podcast co-hosts, and I'm here by myself because my great friend Matt Sitman is off this week.

As Matt likes to say, this episode is a little bit different.

I'm joined by historian Tim Barker, an editor and organizer Ben Maybe,

two of the six hosts of the new podcast, Fragile Juggernaut,

a Haymarket originals podcast exploring the history, politics, and strategic

lessons of the Congress of Industrial Organizations, or CIO, and the Rank-and-file insurgency that

produced it.

In effect, that means their podcast is the story of rank-and-file insurgency that produced it.

In effect, that means their podcast is the story of organized labor

in the 1930s, the radical possibilities of that decade,

and the eclipsing of those possibilities

in the post-war years, with the onset of the Cold War, McCarthyism,

and anti-union legislation like Taft Hartley.

It's a great podcast.

I'm loving it.

And its other hosts include beloved K-Y-E guests, Alex Press, and Gabe Winnet, as well as Andrew Elrod and

Emma Titelman who are also excellent historians.

I don't want to give too much away, but I did want to provide a little context for this

episode. One of the ways to think about it is that it's the

prehistory of Know Your Enemy. If you've ever wondered, what was it that so scared

reactionary businessmen about the New Deal years, how did they come to believe

revolutionary upheaval was a real prospect in America,

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