Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a special series of discussions about US politics

and the Trump presidency, or as we journalists call it, the gift that keeps on giving.

I'm Freddie Gray, I'm Deputy Editor of the Spectator. I'm joined today by Kelly Jane Torrance,

who is Deputy Managing Editor at the Weekly Standard,

and we're going to be talking about the Big Trump Kim summit on Tuesday.

So Kelly, the big summit is on. It's happening on Tuesday.

Trump and Kim will meet in Singapore, and we've just heard that there might be,

recently learned that there might be, recently learned that there

might be an invitation for Kim to come to Washington. Let's deal with that later. But first of all,

just what can we expect, apart from perhaps just to expect the unexpected? Yeah, I mean,

anything can happen, right? Friday, I mean, we here in Washington are used to saying that ever since Trump got elected in November 2016.

But, you know, first of all, as you said, the summit starts on Tuesday, June 12th,

but we're hearing now that it actually might go into a second day.

So it might also, you know, Wednesday, June 13th.

So already, you know, one day June 13th. So already, you know, their one day is not enough. But, you know,

let's face it, it's interesting that we're saying that anything can happen because normally

with this kind of summit, they pretty much know what is going to come out of it when they go into it.

You have a lot of advanced preparation by

teams on both sides, hammering out deals because they don't want to go into it unless they

know that they're going to come out of it with something they can deal with. And so normally,

there's not a lot of surprises at these sorts of summits. But given that it's President Donald Trump and given his, you know,

pension for sort of going off the cuff or going on his gut,

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