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KERA's Think

What the left and the right misunderstand about gun violence

KERA's Think

KERA

Society & Culture, 071003, Kera, Think, Krysboyd

4.8861 Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Both the left and right have failed to craft policies that end gun violence — so what might work? Jens Ludwig is a professor of public policy at the University of Chicago, where he also directs the school’s crime lab. He joins host Krys Boyd to discuss how behavioral economics offers insight into what works to curb gun homicides. His new book is “Unforgiving Places: The Unexpected Origins of American Gun Violence.” 

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0:00.0

Hey, Ira Flato here from Science Friday. Each episode we give you surprising facts.

0:07.5

There's a whole phenomenon of moths visiting eyes of mammals. Expert insights. It doesn't

0:13.5

take a lot of brain to run a lion, actually. And we tackle the big questions. How is this going to

0:20.3

affect the future?

0:21.8

From space to climate to tech to medicine, get a new view on the world around you.

0:26.8

That's Science Friday, wherever you get your podcasts. Dangerous neighborhoods are a weird phenomenon.

0:43.3

Some of us assume shootings happen because those places are populated by bad people

0:47.5

who don't care about their communities and don't fear getting caught by police.

0:52.3

Others of us think the problem is the result of social conditions

0:55.6

that prime residents for lives of poverty,

0:58.3

discrimination, and despair.

1:00.3

The thing is, we've tried cracking down hard

1:02.8

on violent places,

1:04.0

and we've tried fixing them

1:05.6

by setting up programs to help with employment

1:07.9

and essential expenses,

1:09.1

and neither approach has been the

1:11.3

silver bullet reformers hoped for. Could it be, we're all misunderstanding the nature of the

1:17.4

problem? From KERA in Dallas, this is think. I'm Chris Boyd. My guest has studied violent

1:24.7

neighborhoods through the lens of his field, behavioral economics,

1:27.9

and come up with a novel hypothesis that points to new ideas for making scary places safer.

1:34.0

And he can illustrate that through the example of two economically and demographically similar neighborhoods

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