We got a lot of new channels with it, but I think it was Bruce Springsteen.

It was already in the 90s who sang their 69 channels, something, and there's nothing on.

Hello. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that isn't so sure about the long-term benefits of major tech companies being involved in film and television.

I'm your host, Paris Marx, and today I'm joined by Tom Evans.

Tom is a professor of media, innovation, and communication technologies at Ghent University in Belgium, and today I'm joined by Tom Evans. Tom is a professor of media innovation and communication

technologies at Gant University in Belgium, and the co-author of Platform Power and Policy in

Transforming Television Markets with Karen Donders. Today, we talk about the history of the television

industry in the United States and Europe, the recent development of

streaming services, and what that history might be able to teach us about how we understand

what's happening with streaming and how we might respond to it from a regulatory perspective.

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Tom, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. Hi, Paris. So I wanted to start by getting some insight into the history of the television industry, because I feel like that is really absent in a lot of the discussions about streaming platforms. And so in the book, you talk about how when television emerged, the US approached it with a bit more of a laissez-faire approach, whereas Europe have more

of an interventionist approach. So can you explain what the difference between those two

approaches were? When you look at a laissez-faire approach, you look at media or technology or

telecommunications or any industry, like an economic activity where you can grow, where profits can be made,

innovate, and so on. Whereas you look at the more social responsibility approach, you look at media

also as an economic entity, but also as a driver of social change, as a cultural industry, as a cultural

asset. And the thing is that you need to combine

both and don't look at media as just an economic thing or just a more social thing,

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