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The Political Scene | The New Yorker

What Stops Democracy from Backsliding?

The Political Scene | The New Yorker

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🗓️ 22 February 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

The Washington Roundtable discusses with the Stanford University political scientist Larry Diamond about President Trump’s attempts to claim broad powers, why most Republican lawmakers have fallen into line out of fear, and whether the United States has already tipped over into authoritarian territory. Plus, how the courts, Congress, and ordinary citizens might course-correct American democracy.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the political scene, a weekly discussion about the big questions in American politics.

0:11.8

I'm Evanosnos, and I am joined as ever by my colleagues Jane Mayer and Susan Glasser.

0:17.6

Hi, Jane, and hi Susan.

0:19.1

Hey there. Good to see you guys. Ah, great to be with you. Another

0:22.6

crazy week. He who saves his country does not violate any law. That, of course, is a comment

0:30.9

attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, the military general turned dictator of France. Well, two

0:36.2

centuries later, President Donald Trump has

0:39.0

embraced that very quote, posting it to his truth social account at a moment when his administration

0:43.9

is claiming in court that its effort to dismantle USAID and end the right of birthright citizenship

0:50.7

are legal, that they do not defy the law and the Constitution.

0:56.7

Over the past few days, we've seen the impact of his attempts to claim broader powers

1:00.6

playing out across the country.

1:02.4

This afternoon, the Senate narrowly confirmed Cash Patel to be the next FBI director.

1:06.9

Talk about an uprising over at DOJ where there's basically a civil war going on inside that building.

1:11.3

The White House has indefinitely banned one of the biggest media organizations in the U.S.,

1:15.3

the Associated Press from the Oval Office and from Air Force One.

1:19.1

In many ways, this country feels already like a different place than it was even a week ago.

1:24.4

And this isn't just rhetoric, according to the democracy expert Larry Diamond, who published

1:28.9

an important piece this week called The Crisis is Here.

1:32.1

He'll join us today to explore all of this.

1:35.0

Jane, before we bring in Larry to this conversation, I want to get your sense about why it

1:40.2

is that the events of recent days struck so many of us as a kind of tipping point, a real

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