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Beyond Today

What should we think about Julian Assange?

Beyond Today

BBC

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4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2019

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

When Wikileaks released classified documents about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2010, it and its founder Julian Assange became world famous. Many people see him as a hero, calling out the powerful and confronting them with their crimes. But the US government has accused him of stealing state secrets and hacking into its computers, and over the years rape allegations – which he denies - and Wikileaks’ actions around the 2016 US election have painted Assange as an increasingly complex figure. BBC producer Katie Silver joins us to trace the story of Julian Assange, and to try and work out what we should think about him. Producer: Harriet Noble Mixed by Nicolas Raufast Editor: John Shields Vote for Beyond Today at the British Podcast Awards! https://www.britishpodcastawards.com/vote

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0:00.0

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Hello, I'm Matthew Price.

0:07.8

This is Beyond Today from BBC Radio 4.

0:11.1

Every day we ask one big question about one big story.

0:14.5

Today what should we think of Julian Assange? So this is the video that so many people remember.

0:44.0

It's black and white, there's time codes at the top, there's crosshairs in the middle, and it's taken from, I think an Apache helicopter flying over Iraq and it's looking down on some

0:59.9

streets there are two-story buildings, pavements, lamp posts, you can see satellite

1:06.1

dishes on the top of the roofs as the helicopter swings round there you see a

1:11.4

man's head above the wall now they're swinging around to get him in the

1:16.5

crosshairs and then you start to see them there's a group there's a couple of men

1:22.4

and you see three, four emerging from behind a tree. They're standing on a street corner. There's a group that's about 8, 9, 10 men standing there. and then this is it this is the moment the helicopter fires on them.

1:38.0

Come on fire. And this was footage that shocked people around the world. This was the American military

1:56.0

firing on a group of men standing on a street corner in Iraq, some of them apparently were holding weapons

2:05.3

and others weren't.

2:07.3

And this was the video that made WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, world famous, because they got their hands on it it was

2:15.6

top secret the American military didn't want anyone to see it and yet WikiLeaks made it front page news. They put it out there for everyone to

2:26.2

see. And it's why a lot of people in the world love Julian Assange, it's why he sees himself as such an important figure calling out the powerful,

2:35.0

confronting them with their crimes, and it's equally why the US government hates him.

2:40.0

They've accused him of stealing secrets like this footage, of hacking into their computers to get

2:44.8

hold of it.

2:46.1

And over the years, he's become an even more complex figure.

2:49.2

There have been rape allegations against him made in Sweden.

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